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		<title>By: Marianne Samiec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marianne Samiec</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Henrik Ala-Uotila</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henrik Ala-Uotila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Jonny, It does cost Microsoft extra money to develop XP Pro instead of Home.
&gt; Therefore, it would cost them to give Pro in place of Home. Lets put it this way:
&gt; There are 2 different operating systems, Pro and Home (I know there are more,
&gt; but we’ll say 2 for this example) Why does XP Pro cost more than Home?
Wouldn&#039;t it be cheaper for them to just work on one version instead of developing a stripped down version in parallel? XP Pro delivers necessary functionalities that are missing from Home, this stuff needs to be developed anyway. It costs them extra to develop the downgraded version.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Jonny, It does cost Microsoft extra money to develop XP Pro instead of Home.<br />
&gt; Therefore, it would cost them to give Pro in place of Home. Lets put it this way:<br />
&gt; There are 2 different operating systems, Pro and Home (I know there are more,<br />
&gt; but we’ll say 2 for this example) Why does XP Pro cost more than Home?<br />
Wouldn&#8217;t it be cheaper for them to just work on one version instead of developing a stripped down version in parallel? XP Pro delivers necessary functionalities that are missing from Home, this stuff needs to be developed anyway. It costs them extra to develop the downgraded version.</p>
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		<title>By: fantomesq</title>
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		<dc:creator>fantomesq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi George. Thank you for your response. I&#039;m not aware of how Apple has implemented this but I could hazard a guess. 802.11n cards are backwards-compatible to g and b and can be restricted to either g or b through software. This appears to be what Apple has done since it will be upgraded to N through a software patch. They haven&#039;t done anything to lock you out of N compatibility as much as having failed to include software which activates it.

The 802.11n &#039;standard&#039; is still developing. Building software features on unsettled standards is akin to building in shifting sands; one change to the developing standard and features fail. My understanding is that current 802.11n solutions from different vendors don&#039;t interoperate. As such, if Apple had activated and advertised 802.11n compatibility months ago when these systems shipped, it would have had bigger problems on its hands when a now advertised feature inevitably failed to work with the 802.11n at Starbucks. A quick glance  shows none of the major computer manufacturers touting 802.11n, probably for this reason.

In my experience, Apple enjoys being on the cutting (ney, bleeding) edge of technology and would be quick to tout a major advantage such as 802.11n if the balancing act of marketing advantage versus liabilities cut in their favor. Clearly it did not six months ago but Apple must have been reasonably certain that changes to the 802.11n standard in the interim could be bridged through software and firmware since they included the improved hardware.

It is truly a shame that an accounting law would act to tie the hands of a company in its attempts to serve its customers rather than merely reflect the true state of a company. The Sarbanes-Oxley act needs to be changed. It will continue to have major unintended effects on American corporations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi George. Thank you for your response. I&#8217;m not aware of how Apple has implemented this but I could hazard a guess. 802.11n cards are backwards-compatible to g and b and can be restricted to either g or b through software. This appears to be what Apple has done since it will be upgraded to N through a software patch. They haven&#8217;t done anything to lock you out of N compatibility as much as having failed to include software which activates it.</p>
<p>The 802.11n &#8216;standard&#8217; is still developing. Building software features on unsettled standards is akin to building in shifting sands; one change to the developing standard and features fail. My understanding is that current 802.11n solutions from different vendors don&#8217;t interoperate. As such, if Apple had activated and advertised 802.11n compatibility months ago when these systems shipped, it would have had bigger problems on its hands when a now advertised feature inevitably failed to work with the 802.11n at Starbucks. A quick glance  shows none of the major computer manufacturers touting 802.11n, probably for this reason.</p>
<p>In my experience, Apple enjoys being on the cutting (ney, bleeding) edge of technology and would be quick to tout a major advantage such as 802.11n if the balancing act of marketing advantage versus liabilities cut in their favor. Clearly it did not six months ago but Apple must have been reasonably certain that changes to the 802.11n standard in the interim could be bridged through software and firmware since they included the improved hardware.</p>
<p>It is truly a shame that an accounting law would act to tie the hands of a company in its attempts to serve its customers rather than merely reflect the true state of a company. The Sarbanes-Oxley act needs to be changed. It will continue to have major unintended effects on American corporations.</p>
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		<title>By: George Gardner</title>
		<link>http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:/2007/01/20/apples-80211n-setting-new-standard-in-computer-costs/comment-page-1/#comment-3470</link>
		<dc:creator>George Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 13:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantomesq, That comment was well thought out and very insightful. Yes, I do admit that it is a bit outrageous to be fighting this for just $1.99; My primary concern is that we will be seeing more of this in the future... At greater costs.

It&#039;s possible I missed something; but was there a reason why Apple put the encryption on the 802.11n in the first place? You said, &quot;The Sarbanes-Oxley Act made changes to GAPP that changed the playing field for recording software revenues.&quot; You also stated that this was not a bug fix, yet, rather an addition of a substantial feature. 

This feature was already partially/completely in the cost of the original system. When it comes down to it, your paying for the software; software which would not have been required had there not been a lock on the Wi-Fi&#039;s extra speed in the first place. 

If Apple wouldn&#039;t be loosing any revenue from unauthorized distribution, why do they charge for this download? It&#039;s more of an opportunity cost to them; I don&#039;t know why they did this in the first place, and that troubles me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantomesq, That comment was well thought out and very insightful. Yes, I do admit that it is a bit outrageous to be fighting this for just $1.99; My primary concern is that we will be seeing more of this in the future&#8230; At greater costs.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s possible I missed something; but was there a reason why Apple put the encryption on the 802.11n in the first place? You said, &#8220;The Sarbanes-Oxley Act made changes to GAPP that changed the playing field for recording software revenues.&#8221; You also stated that this was not a bug fix, yet, rather an addition of a substantial feature. </p>
<p>This feature was already partially/completely in the cost of the original system. When it comes down to it, your paying for the software; software which would not have been required had there not been a lock on the Wi-Fi&#8217;s extra speed in the first place. </p>
<p>If Apple wouldn&#8217;t be loosing any revenue from unauthorized distribution, why do they charge for this download? It&#8217;s more of an opportunity cost to them; I don&#8217;t know why they did this in the first place, and that troubles me.</p>
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		<title>By: fantomesq</title>
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		<dc:creator>fantomesq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 05:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t this just a little too much outrage over $1.99? Customers purchased these systems under the value proposition that they were getting 802.11g speeds. Their systems meet or exceed these specs. Customers got the expected benefit of the bargain.

Now Apple offers these customers significantly improved network speeds beyond those advertised for the paltry and nominal fee of $1.99. Customers are not required to make the upgrade and their systems will continue to operate at the advertised specs without it, but those who choose to will gain the benefit of substantially faster throughput that would have cost at least $100 otherwise... quite a bargain.

Your analysis above misses the point. Apple sold the vast majority of affected systems last fiscal quarter (Q107), which they have already recorded revenue for. The Sarbanes-Oxley Act made changes to GAPP that changed the playing field for recording software revenues. Under these changes, free software releases that add substantial features (as opposed to bug fixes) to previously sold software packages can be interpreted as a partial delayed delivery of the original sale. 

If the previous sale is deemed to have only been partially delivered, Apple is required to have only recorded a portion of the sales as revenue for that quarter and carry the liability over to the next quarter. We already know that they have not done this, so this would require a restatement of Q107 revenue and would leave all software revenue uncertain subject to future updates throughout the lifespan of a software release. 

The easiest way around this headache is to set and charge a nominal fee for the software update which GAPP deems as a second sale and which is accounted for in Q2 rather than a delayed delivery of a sale from Q1. As several have noted, the nominal fee Apple set for this update barely covers its overhead expenses in delivering the update so it is unlikely that Apple is realizing any revenue from this release. Furthermore it is likely that Apple will do little to nothing to prevent the patch from being freely distributed since it wouldn&#039;t be losing any revenue from unauthorized distribution. So if you truly object to this nominal fee, feel free to source it otherwise.

In today&#039;s litigious society, good corporate governance includes avoiding unnecessary litigation and as an Apple stockholder, I applaud them for their foresight.

If you are truly upset by Apple&#039;s predicament in this case, appeal to your legislators to ammend or repeal the Sarbanes-Oxley Act. This won&#039;t be the last unequitable outcome that this poorly written and executed law produces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t this just a little too much outrage over $1.99? Customers purchased these systems under the value proposition that they were getting 802.11g speeds. Their systems meet or exceed these specs. Customers got the expected benefit of the bargain.</p>
<p>Now Apple offers these customers significantly improved network speeds beyond those advertised for the paltry and nominal fee of $1.99. Customers are not required to make the upgrade and their systems will continue to operate at the advertised specs without it, but those who choose to will gain the benefit of substantially faster throughput that would have cost at least $100 otherwise&#8230; quite a bargain.</p>
<p>Your analysis above misses the point. Apple sold the vast majority of affected systems last fiscal quarter (Q107), which they have already recorded revenue for. The Sarbanes-Oxley Act made changes to GAPP that changed the playing field for recording software revenues. Under these changes, free software releases that add substantial features (as opposed to bug fixes) to previously sold software packages can be interpreted as a partial delayed delivery of the original sale. </p>
<p>If the previous sale is deemed to have only been partially delivered, Apple is required to have only recorded a portion of the sales as revenue for that quarter and carry the liability over to the next quarter. We already know that they have not done this, so this would require a restatement of Q107 revenue and would leave all software revenue uncertain subject to future updates throughout the lifespan of a software release. </p>
<p>The easiest way around this headache is to set and charge a nominal fee for the software update which GAPP deems as a second sale and which is accounted for in Q2 rather than a delayed delivery of a sale from Q1. As several have noted, the nominal fee Apple set for this update barely covers its overhead expenses in delivering the update so it is unlikely that Apple is realizing any revenue from this release. Furthermore it is likely that Apple will do little to nothing to prevent the patch from being freely distributed since it wouldn&#8217;t be losing any revenue from unauthorized distribution. So if you truly object to this nominal fee, feel free to source it otherwise.</p>
<p>In today&#8217;s litigious society, good corporate governance includes avoiding unnecessary litigation and as an Apple stockholder, I applaud them for their foresight.</p>
<p>If you are truly upset by Apple&#8217;s predicament in this case, appeal to your legislators to ammend or repeal the Sarbanes-Oxley Act. This won&#8217;t be the last unequitable outcome that this poorly written and executed law produces.</p>
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		<title>By: George Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 01:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know they didn&#039;t advertise it; believe me, they wouldn&#039;t be breaking any rules by offering it for free. I&#039;m trying to make a point here; They manufature the 802.11n technology in the built in Wi-Fi card. That, in itself, costs money. I&#039;m not saying charging for the technology is a bad thing, but the manner in which they are doing it is upsetting.  So, I&#039;m sure we can all agree that it is costing Apple some dough to integrate this technology on the chip, Right? We should be on the same level at this point.

Now let&#039;s assume that no one in the world pays the $1.99 for the software to unlock the full capabilities of the Wi-Fi Card. If this be the case, who would be paying the extra costs that it took Apple to include this technology in their Macbooks? 

Now this is where we will probably differ. Most will say apple is eating the costs; yet, I will tell you that you and Apple are paying for it. It&#039;s simple economics; I can&#039;t explain it too much in detail, but the costs are divided among you and apple based on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.investopedia.com/university/economics/economics4.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;elastisity&lt;/a&gt; of the product. That is determined by the necessity of the product. I&#039;m trailing off... In short, you are paying a good portion of the technology when you purchase the Macbook. This is an unfair practice.

Jonny, It does cost Microsoft extra money to develop XP Pro instead of Home. Therefore, it would cost them to give Pro in place of Home. Lets put it this way: There are 2 different operating systems, Pro and Home (I know there are more, but we&#039;ll say 2 for this example) Why does XP Pro cost more than Home? The Answer - Microsoft does not want to charge basic users of their O.S. for technology that they don&#039;t know how to use or even need for that matter. They have XP Pro for a premium price so the more advanced users that would like the extra features can pay for it themselves; otherwise, assuming there was just one version of an operating system, it would cost the same for all. But for the users who don&#039;t need the technology (the XP Home users), they would have to fork out additional bucks to buy a computer with the ONE operating system.

Thanks for bringing that up, it&#039;s a decent example. Apple could learn from Microsoft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know they didn&#8217;t advertise it; believe me, they wouldn&#8217;t be breaking any rules by offering it for free. I&#8217;m trying to make a point here; They manufature the 802.11n technology in the built in Wi-Fi card. That, in itself, costs money. I&#8217;m not saying charging for the technology is a bad thing, but the manner in which they are doing it is upsetting.  So, I&#8217;m sure we can all agree that it is costing Apple some dough to integrate this technology on the chip, Right? We should be on the same level at this point.</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s assume that no one in the world pays the $1.99 for the software to unlock the full capabilities of the Wi-Fi Card. If this be the case, who would be paying the extra costs that it took Apple to include this technology in their Macbooks? </p>
<p>Now this is where we will probably differ. Most will say apple is eating the costs; yet, I will tell you that you and Apple are paying for it. It&#8217;s simple economics; I can&#8217;t explain it too much in detail, but the costs are divided among you and apple based on the <a href="http://www.investopedia.com/university/economics/economics4.asp" rel="nofollow">elastisity</a> of the product. That is determined by the necessity of the product. I&#8217;m trailing off&#8230; In short, you are paying a good portion of the technology when you purchase the Macbook. This is an unfair practice.</p>
<p>Jonny, It does cost Microsoft extra money to develop XP Pro instead of Home. Therefore, it would cost them to give Pro in place of Home. Lets put it this way: There are 2 different operating systems, Pro and Home (I know there are more, but we&#8217;ll say 2 for this example) Why does XP Pro cost more than Home? The Answer &#8211; Microsoft does not want to charge basic users of their O.S. for technology that they don&#8217;t know how to use or even need for that matter. They have XP Pro for a premium price so the more advanced users that would like the extra features can pay for it themselves; otherwise, assuming there was just one version of an operating system, it would cost the same for all. But for the users who don&#8217;t need the technology (the XP Home users), they would have to fork out additional bucks to buy a computer with the ONE operating system.</p>
<p>Thanks for bringing that up, it&#8217;s a decent example. Apple could learn from Microsoft.</p>
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		<title>By: jonny</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 00:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They did not advertise it.They are giving you somthing you would have needed to pay $100 plus for 2 and they also do not want to brake the rules.It would not cost microsoft eny money to give everyone xp pro instead of home but they do it to make money you need to pay to upgrade your computer so y not for this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They did not advertise it.They are giving you somthing you would have needed to pay $100 plus for 2 and they also do not want to brake the rules.It would not cost microsoft eny money to give everyone xp pro instead of home but they do it to make money you need to pay to upgrade your computer so y not for this.</p>
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		<title>By: George Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jan 2007 23:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that is beside the point. Whether they knew it or not, it was there, and they paid for it. I don&#039;t believe the absence of advertising that the 802.11n was in the Macbook justifies charging customers to unlock it. I don&#039;t buy it, and certainly never will. This will not be the first time this happens. Apple wants you to look the other way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that is beside the point. Whether they knew it or not, it was there, and they paid for it. I don&#8217;t believe the absence of advertising that the 802.11n was in the Macbook justifies charging customers to unlock it. I don&#8217;t buy it, and certainly never will. This will not be the first time this happens. Apple wants you to look the other way.</p>
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		<title>By: Marco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Nowhere in the GAAP does it describe charging extra for services already rendered.&quot;

But I think that&#039;s the point - those who purchased iMac&#039;s or MacBookPros with latent N equipment *didn&#039;t* realize it had been rendered - and certainly can&#039;t make use of it. And it can&#039;t be utilized until you buy further enabling technology, but certainly increases the material value of that device when you do. And given Apple&#039;s recent issues with the SEC, I seriously doubt they want to wait for someone to later interpret it as required.

(I think everyone is quoting Sarbanes Oxley here specifically)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nowhere in the GAAP does it describe charging extra for services already rendered.&#8221;</p>
<p>But I think that&#8217;s the point &#8211; those who purchased iMac&#8217;s or MacBookPros with latent N equipment *didn&#8217;t* realize it had been rendered &#8211; and certainly can&#8217;t make use of it. And it can&#8217;t be utilized until you buy further enabling technology, but certainly increases the material value of that device when you do. And given Apple&#8217;s recent issues with the SEC, I seriously doubt they want to wait for someone to later interpret it as required.</p>
<p>(I think everyone is quoting Sarbanes Oxley here specifically)</p>
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