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		<title>By: Wizard Prang</title>
		<link>http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:/2007/05/14/linux-violates-235-microsoft-patents/comment-page-1/#comment-16628</link>
		<dc:creator>Wizard Prang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; Until then, it is an “enthusiast” operating system relegated to those who like configuring hardware manually and using command lines. &gt; Linux nuked [m]y existing Vista install and corrupted the boot loader </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; Until then, it is an “enthusiast” operating system relegated to those who like configuring hardware manually and using command lines. &gt; Linux nuked [m]y existing Vista install and corrupted the boot loader</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:/2007/05/14/linux-violates-235-microsoft-patents/comment-page-1/#comment-11116</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 17:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow man... If you&#039;re going to blog about &quot;PC and lifestyle technology&quot; the least you can do is actually give it a college try. Clearly you didn&#039;t follow any instructions either in the installer or online....because there are lots. Do a search on Google for &quot;linux vista dual boot&quot; for crying out loud..

I have to wonder what would have happened the other way around if you had Linux installed and tried to install Vista. Oh yeah, actually I do know what would happen. It would nuke the Linux boot loader without nary a word of warning! 

Sheesh...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow man&#8230; If you&#8217;re going to blog about &#8220;PC and lifestyle technology&#8221; the least you can do is actually give it a college try. Clearly you didn&#8217;t follow any instructions either in the installer or online&#8230;.because there are lots. Do a search on Google for &#8220;linux vista dual boot&#8221; for crying out loud..</p>
<p>I have to wonder what would have happened the other way around if you had Linux installed and tried to install Vista. Oh yeah, actually I do know what would happen. It would nuke the Linux boot loader without nary a word of warning! </p>
<p>Sheesh&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Clifton Hyatt</title>
		<link>http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:/2007/05/14/linux-violates-235-microsoft-patents/comment-page-1/#comment-11095</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifton Hyatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 13:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Linux patent violations/risk of being sued” struck a chord with US and Swedish respondents. Seventy-four percent (74%) of Americans and 82% of Swedes stated that the risk of being sued over Linux patent violations made them feel less favorable towards Linux. This was the only message that had a strong impact with any audience.
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The discussion of IP rights needs to be tied to concrete actions.&quot;

Sep. 02 - Excerpt from &quot;Halloween VII&quot;

Mar. 03 - SCO files lawsuit against IBM alleging IP violations in Linux

Oct. 03 - Microsoft is implicated in funding SCO &quot;Halloween X&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Linux patent violations/risk of being sued” struck a chord with US and Swedish respondents. Seventy-four percent (74%) of Americans and 82% of Swedes stated that the risk of being sued over Linux patent violations made them feel less favorable towards Linux. This was the only message that had a strong impact with any audience.<br />
&#8230;<br />
The discussion of IP rights needs to be tied to concrete actions.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sep. 02 &#8211; Excerpt from &#8220;Halloween VII&#8221;</p>
<p>Mar. 03 &#8211; SCO files lawsuit against IBM alleging IP violations in Linux</p>
<p>Oct. 03 &#8211; Microsoft is implicated in funding SCO &#8220;Halloween X&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Clifton Hyatt</title>
		<link>http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:/2007/05/14/linux-violates-235-microsoft-patents/comment-page-1/#comment-11092</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifton Hyatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 12:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are highlight excerpts from &quot;Halloween II&quot; the second leaked Microsoft internal document.

This was authored in *1998*, when Linux really *was* hard to use.

 *Linux represents a best-of-breed UNIX, that is trusted in mission critical applications, and - due to it&#039;s open source code - has a long term credibility which exceeds many other competitive OS&#039;s. 

    * Most of the primary apps that people require when they move to Linux are already available for free. This includes web servers, POP clients, mail servers, text editors, etc 

    &lt;b&gt;* An advanced Win32 GUI user would have a short learning cycle to become productive [under Linux]. &lt;/b&gt;

    * I previously had IE4/NT4 on the same box and by comparison the combination of Linux / Navigator ran at least 30-40% faster when rendering simple HTML + graphics. 

  &lt;b&gt;  * Long term, my simple experiments do indicate that Linux has a chance at the desktop market ... &lt;/b&gt;

  &lt;b&gt;  * Consumers Love It. &lt;/b&gt;

    * Linux&#039;s (real and perceived) virtues over Windows NT include: Customization ... Availability/Reliability ... Scaleability/Performance ... Interoperability ... 

    * Linux is emerging as a key operating system in the nascent thin server market 

    * Using today&#039;s server requirements, Linux is a credible alternative to commercial developed servers in many, high volume applications. 

  &lt;b&gt;  * The effect of patents and copyright in combatting Linux remains to be investigated. &lt;/b&gt;

    * Note, however, that Compaq and Dell merely have to credibly threaten Linux adoption in order to push for lower OEM OS pricing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are highlight excerpts from &#8220;Halloween II&#8221; the second leaked Microsoft internal document.</p>
<p>This was authored in *1998*, when Linux really *was* hard to use.</p>
<p> *Linux represents a best-of-breed UNIX, that is trusted in mission critical applications, and &#8211; due to it&#8217;s open source code &#8211; has a long term credibility which exceeds many other competitive OS&#8217;s. </p>
<p>    * Most of the primary apps that people require when they move to Linux are already available for free. This includes web servers, POP clients, mail servers, text editors, etc </p>
<p>    <b>* An advanced Win32 GUI user would have a short learning cycle to become productive [under Linux]. </b></p>
<p>    * I previously had IE4/NT4 on the same box and by comparison the combination of Linux / Navigator ran at least 30-40% faster when rendering simple HTML + graphics. </p>
<p>  <b>  * Long term, my simple experiments do indicate that Linux has a chance at the desktop market &#8230; </b></p>
<p>  <b>  * Consumers Love It. </b></p>
<p>    * Linux&#8217;s (real and perceived) virtues over Windows NT include: Customization &#8230; Availability/Reliability &#8230; Scaleability/Performance &#8230; Interoperability &#8230; </p>
<p>    * Linux is emerging as a key operating system in the nascent thin server market </p>
<p>    * Using today&#8217;s server requirements, Linux is a credible alternative to commercial developed servers in many, high volume applications. </p>
<p>  <b>  * The effect of patents and copyright in combatting Linux remains to be investigated. </b></p>
<p>    * Note, however, that Compaq and Dell merely have to credibly threaten Linux adoption in order to push for lower OEM OS pricing.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifton Hyatt</title>
		<link>http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:/2007/05/14/linux-violates-235-microsoft-patents/comment-page-1/#comment-11090</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifton Hyatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 12:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.catb.org/~esr/halloween/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Halloween Documents&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/halloween/index.html" rel="nofollow">Halloween Documents</a></p>
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		<title>By: Clifton Hyatt</title>
		<link>http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:/2007/05/14/linux-violates-235-microsoft-patents/comment-page-1/#comment-11089</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifton Hyatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 12:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, 

Have you ever read the &quot;Halloween Documents&quot;, leaked Microsoft documents relating to their thoughts and strategies on Open Source?

There are 11 in total spanning 1998 to 2004, and these are Microsofts *real* thoughts on Linux, Apache, the GPL,  rather than the drivel they issue in press releases and statements to the press and industry. 

If not, you might find them interesting.

regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, </p>
<p>Have you ever read the &#8220;Halloween Documents&#8221;, leaked Microsoft documents relating to their thoughts and strategies on Open Source?</p>
<p>There are 11 in total spanning 1998 to 2004, and these are Microsofts *real* thoughts on Linux, Apache, the GPL,  rather than the drivel they issue in press releases and statements to the press and industry. </p>
<p>If not, you might find them interesting.</p>
<p>regards</p>
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		<title>By: Clifton Hyatt</title>
		<link>http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:/2007/05/14/linux-violates-235-microsoft-patents/comment-page-1/#comment-11086</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifton Hyatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 11:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, 

That was lucid, thoughtful and even considerate blog entry,

Thanks for that, even if you are still confused about how easy Linux is.

;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, </p>
<p>That was lucid, thoughtful and even considerate blog entry,</p>
<p>Thanks for that, even if you are still confused about how easy Linux is.</p>
<p>;)</p>
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		<title>By: Pats</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 06:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had the experience of using both Microsoft&#039;s XP/2k and Linux (personally prefer openSuSE) - Jonathan, I think what you are trying to convey is that unlike MS-XP,2K,Vista - Linux may not be ready for most people (usually the term used -&quot;an OS my grandma is comfortable with&quot;). I agree with you about most aspects of what you say - but then this is a constantly evolving OS - Compare Linux today to Linux say about 4-5 years ago - it has evolved much more quickly, with a greater degree of stability than MS-XP has. I personally was most comfortable with Win-2K - It was the flavour used in my office till we all got IBM machines preloaded with WinXP. 

I use SuSE at home - and I find my usage almost as comfortable and satisfying as WindowsXP. If I have to buy a machine with an OS preloaded, frankly I would prefer SuSE to Microsoft - the things I have heard about Vista (especially relating to DRM protection ... ) make me hesitant in investing in the same. I will be picking up a laptop shortly - I would actually rather have spend the extra dollars on better hardware than Vista ;). 

Of course, there is a good chance that i might just have Vista preloaded - but even so, I would probably switch to SuSE - getting a tad too comfortable with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had the experience of using both Microsoft&#8217;s XP/2k and Linux (personally prefer openSuSE) &#8211; Jonathan, I think what you are trying to convey is that unlike MS-XP,2K,Vista &#8211; Linux may not be ready for most people (usually the term used -&#8221;an OS my grandma is comfortable with&#8221;). I agree with you about most aspects of what you say &#8211; but then this is a constantly evolving OS &#8211; Compare Linux today to Linux say about 4-5 years ago &#8211; it has evolved much more quickly, with a greater degree of stability than MS-XP has. I personally was most comfortable with Win-2K &#8211; It was the flavour used in my office till we all got IBM machines preloaded with WinXP. </p>
<p>I use SuSE at home &#8211; and I find my usage almost as comfortable and satisfying as WindowsXP. If I have to buy a machine with an OS preloaded, frankly I would prefer SuSE to Microsoft &#8211; the things I have heard about Vista (especially relating to DRM protection &#8230; ) make me hesitant in investing in the same. I will be picking up a laptop shortly &#8211; I would actually rather have spend the extra dollars on better hardware than Vista ;). </p>
<p>Of course, there is a good chance that i might just have Vista preloaded &#8211; but even so, I would probably switch to SuSE &#8211; getting a tad too comfortable with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Schlaffer</title>
		<link>http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:/2007/05/14/linux-violates-235-microsoft-patents/comment-page-1/#comment-11019</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Schlaffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 19:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I said desktop in the context of home users... if you are Google, a government agency or a corporation then you can afford to hire people to deal with installing Linux or deal with installation problems.

Linux is a server OS, no argument from me on that point but again, I said desktop OS not server.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said desktop in the context of home users&#8230; if you are Google, a government agency or a corporation then you can afford to hire people to deal with installing Linux or deal with installation problems.</p>
<p>Linux is a server OS, no argument from me on that point but again, I said desktop OS not server.</p>
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		<title>By: Lordshipmayhem</title>
		<link>http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:/2007/05/14/linux-violates-235-microsoft-patents/comment-page-1/#comment-11014</link>
		<dc:creator>Lordshipmayhem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 19:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Linux is only for hobbyists - Google, the Life Insurance Company of India (70,000 desktops), Citroen (20,000 desktops), the City of Munich, the Government of Japan.  It&#039;s not for serious organizations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Linux is only for hobbyists &#8211; Google, the Life Insurance Company of India (70,000 desktops), Citroen (20,000 desktops), the City of Munich, the Government of Japan.  It&#8217;s not for serious organizations.</p>
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