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		<title>By: Windows/Linux</title>
		<link>http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:/2007/06/06/do-obama-and-lieberman-think-the-internet-is-dangerous/comment-page-1/#comment-153759</link>
		<dc:creator>Windows/Linux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 18:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Filters are a bad idea for computers accessed at home by adults.  Determined teens can and will bypass the little buggers.  

There are places for filters.  

They can prevent embarrassment for some who might accidentally trip on something in public, be it school, or workplace.  AGMLego&#039;s Chinese foot-binding/BDSM dilemma is blush-worthy.  

For very young children (6 and under) filters can be an aid against &#039;tripping&#039; provided that the parent parents by placing the PC in the living room-public area of the home.  Filters are an AID, as they are imperfect and not every naughty site is easy to track.  Some sites fall under the raidar, such as ProAnna&#039;s.

Some parents only allow internet to be connected for limited amounts of time or only allow locked laptopss 24/7 access while the children learn on a stand alone PC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Filters are a bad idea for computers accessed at home by adults.  Determined teens can and will bypass the little buggers.  </p>
<p>There are places for filters.  </p>
<p>They can prevent embarrassment for some who might accidentally trip on something in public, be it school, or workplace.  AGMLego&#8217;s Chinese foot-binding/BDSM dilemma is blush-worthy.  </p>
<p>For very young children (6 and under) filters can be an aid against &#8216;tripping&#8217; provided that the parent parents by placing the PC in the living room-public area of the home.  Filters are an AID, as they are imperfect and not every naughty site is easy to track.  Some sites fall under the raidar, such as ProAnna&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Some parents only allow internet to be connected for limited amounts of time or only allow locked laptopss 24/7 access while the children learn on a stand alone PC.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Rasmussen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Rasmussen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 06:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with everyone who is against the usage of internet filters. It simply isn&#039;t going to work. Guess what? I&#039;m only 14 years old. Why am I on here? I wanted to compile some &#039;arguments&#039; to persuade my parents to free up the internet for me, by examining these arguments.

I figured out how to defeat Bsafe a long time ago, with several different methods. I didn&#039;t attempt to remove it though. Why didn&#039;t I remove it? I want to show my parents that I&#039;m trustworthy. I discovered most of the &#039;evils&#039; of the world when I was merely 10. I admit that I used to go to less that reputable websites, and I have been &#039;cyber-bullied&#039;, and it scared me back then. But I learned from it. I&#039;ve gained an enhanced sense of common sense, and I&#039;ve bucked up and no take any and all &#039;cyber-bullying&#039; like a man.

My parents were aware of this, and had educated me about these things when they found out. Bsafe was their answer to all of it. I actually requested that Bsafe be put on my conputer, because, at the time, I didn&#039;t trust myself to resist the &#039;temptations&#039;.

It worked, keeping me from it all, but it also made me want out. So many innocent sites are blocked by it- I want my freedom back.

Now I want it off. I&#039;ve grown up since then. i&#039;ve reached a much more logical and reasonable state of mind. I have common sense, and I am fully aware of all the &#039;evils&#039; of the world.

I&#039;m not the average teenager though, I admit, as my parents seem to comment that I am much more aware than most kids my age. Please pardon the &#039;arrogance&#039; of that last statement of mine, but it is true.

I have a great relationship with my parents, but, the whole problem has always been propoganda. The problem is a &#039;generation-gap&#039; of sorts. Many parents seem to be out of touch with the modern world as it is veiwed by the youngest of our generation.

Age is of no solid relevence to a person&#039;s intellectual developement and capability. So I&#039;m only 14. I guess I had that &#039;maturity spark&#039; a bit early. Hopefully my proficiency in speakign is evidence of this. I know that I&#039;ve learned a lot from being in many multiple social communities across the internet. 

If everything on the internet was out of my reach back then, I would not be where I am today. I would not be the person I am today. I&#039;ve learned nearly 40% of everything I know (Besides the basics such as math and english) from the internet, I estimate.

Now, I&#039;ve become a man of knowledge and reason. An agnostic, athiestic leaning, independent, liberal leaning person, who is highly aware of all the things going on in the world.

My parents already allow my to watch whatever TV I want now, be it R or even M rated. They have realized that I am mature enough to veiw such content in enetertainment and games; so the next step is internet freedom. 

I seek reason and knowledge, but I must also have freedom. Freedom to go to sites such as youtube, and the massive plethora of innocent websites Bsafe has flagged ignorantly with tags such as &#039;Free host, and R-rated games &amp; news&#039;.

I simply want to enjoy life. To be able to watch hilarous Youtube videos such as the &#039;red vs blue&#039; comedy series for Halo, and whatever else I so please. To be able to go to Comedy Central&#039;s website, so I watch reruns of the &#039;Daily Show&#039; and the &#039;Colbert Report....&#039;

After all, there are several great Human rights we should all have under the Consitution&#039;s bill of rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with everyone who is against the usage of internet filters. It simply isn&#8217;t going to work. Guess what? I&#8217;m only 14 years old. Why am I on here? I wanted to compile some &#8216;arguments&#8217; to persuade my parents to free up the internet for me, by examining these arguments.</p>
<p>I figured out how to defeat Bsafe a long time ago, with several different methods. I didn&#8217;t attempt to remove it though. Why didn&#8217;t I remove it? I want to show my parents that I&#8217;m trustworthy. I discovered most of the &#8216;evils&#8217; of the world when I was merely 10. I admit that I used to go to less that reputable websites, and I have been &#8216;cyber-bullied&#8217;, and it scared me back then. But I learned from it. I&#8217;ve gained an enhanced sense of common sense, and I&#8217;ve bucked up and no take any and all &#8216;cyber-bullying&#8217; like a man.</p>
<p>My parents were aware of this, and had educated me about these things when they found out. Bsafe was their answer to all of it. I actually requested that Bsafe be put on my conputer, because, at the time, I didn&#8217;t trust myself to resist the &#8216;temptations&#8217;.</p>
<p>It worked, keeping me from it all, but it also made me want out. So many innocent sites are blocked by it- I want my freedom back.</p>
<p>Now I want it off. I&#8217;ve grown up since then. i&#8217;ve reached a much more logical and reasonable state of mind. I have common sense, and I am fully aware of all the &#8216;evils&#8217; of the world.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not the average teenager though, I admit, as my parents seem to comment that I am much more aware than most kids my age. Please pardon the &#8216;arrogance&#8217; of that last statement of mine, but it is true.</p>
<p>I have a great relationship with my parents, but, the whole problem has always been propoganda. The problem is a &#8216;generation-gap&#8217; of sorts. Many parents seem to be out of touch with the modern world as it is veiwed by the youngest of our generation.</p>
<p>Age is of no solid relevence to a person&#8217;s intellectual developement and capability. So I&#8217;m only 14. I guess I had that &#8216;maturity spark&#8217; a bit early. Hopefully my proficiency in speakign is evidence of this. I know that I&#8217;ve learned a lot from being in many multiple social communities across the internet. </p>
<p>If everything on the internet was out of my reach back then, I would not be where I am today. I would not be the person I am today. I&#8217;ve learned nearly 40% of everything I know (Besides the basics such as math and english) from the internet, I estimate.</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;ve become a man of knowledge and reason. An agnostic, athiestic leaning, independent, liberal leaning person, who is highly aware of all the things going on in the world.</p>
<p>My parents already allow my to watch whatever TV I want now, be it R or even M rated. They have realized that I am mature enough to veiw such content in enetertainment and games; so the next step is internet freedom. </p>
<p>I seek reason and knowledge, but I must also have freedom. Freedom to go to sites such as youtube, and the massive plethora of innocent websites Bsafe has flagged ignorantly with tags such as &#8216;Free host, and R-rated games &amp; news&#8217;.</p>
<p>I simply want to enjoy life. To be able to watch hilarous Youtube videos such as the &#8216;red vs blue&#8217; comedy series for Halo, and whatever else I so please. To be able to go to Comedy Central&#8217;s website, so I watch reruns of the &#8216;Daily Show&#8217; and the &#8216;Colbert Report&#8230;.&#8217;</p>
<p>After all, there are several great Human rights we should all have under the Consitution&#8217;s bill of rights.</p>
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		<title>By: K</title>
		<link>http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:/2007/06/06/do-obama-and-lieberman-think-the-internet-is-dangerous/comment-page-1/#comment-15468</link>
		<dc:creator>K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am the PR guy for the other company mentioned. There are many interesting opinions here... and also many people just talking to hear themselves talk. I, unfortunately, live in the real world. Argue all you want - there is a need for parents to monitor/control their kids Internet usage. Just like when we were kids and our parents told us not to talk to strangers -- same thing here... only instead of a playground, it&#039;s your living room... and instead of a stranger with a van and some candy, it&#039;s an anonymous character hiding behind a child&#039;s profile (in many cases, not all). Filters are worthless - most kids are way smarter than their parents and can get around them. If you want to really KNOW what they are doing - watch them. Give them respect and privacy, but watch them. and TALK TO THEM. Just like our parents did to us. They let me go to the playground, but they would often drop by and would always ask who I was playing with. Same thing here - and that is the bottom line of the product we offer. Not a week goes by without somone being arrested for soliciting a kid. Until weeks DO go by without incident, there are still creeps out there. And let&#039;s be serious, of all the studies done, do you really think kids are admitting when they are approached? I guarantee the number is far greater, just not reported. That&#039;s not to say kid aren&#039;t becoming more savvy... it&#039;s just saying that is happens on a constant basis.

Sure you can use it to check on your suspicious spouse too... to that I say, you only have beef with that idea if you are one who has something to hide!
:)

And our software (PC Pandora, by the way) is $50 for a ONE TIME fee --- or as I call it: peace of mind.

Bottom line is safety of your kids. We provide a tool to help acquire that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the PR guy for the other company mentioned. There are many interesting opinions here&#8230; and also many people just talking to hear themselves talk. I, unfortunately, live in the real world. Argue all you want &#8211; there is a need for parents to monitor/control their kids Internet usage. Just like when we were kids and our parents told us not to talk to strangers &#8212; same thing here&#8230; only instead of a playground, it&#8217;s your living room&#8230; and instead of a stranger with a van and some candy, it&#8217;s an anonymous character hiding behind a child&#8217;s profile (in many cases, not all). Filters are worthless &#8211; most kids are way smarter than their parents and can get around them. If you want to really KNOW what they are doing &#8211; watch them. Give them respect and privacy, but watch them. and TALK TO THEM. Just like our parents did to us. They let me go to the playground, but they would often drop by and would always ask who I was playing with. Same thing here &#8211; and that is the bottom line of the product we offer. Not a week goes by without somone being arrested for soliciting a kid. Until weeks DO go by without incident, there are still creeps out there. And let&#8217;s be serious, of all the studies done, do you really think kids are admitting when they are approached? I guarantee the number is far greater, just not reported. That&#8217;s not to say kid aren&#8217;t becoming more savvy&#8230; it&#8217;s just saying that is happens on a constant basis.</p>
<p>Sure you can use it to check on your suspicious spouse too&#8230; to that I say, you only have beef with that idea if you are one who has something to hide!<br />
:)</p>
<p>And our software (PC Pandora, by the way) is $50 for a ONE TIME fee &#8212; or as I call it: peace of mind.</p>
<p>Bottom line is safety of your kids. We provide a tool to help acquire that.</p>
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		<title>By: Kip W</title>
		<link>http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:/2007/06/06/do-obama-and-lieberman-think-the-internet-is-dangerous/comment-page-1/#comment-15337</link>
		<dc:creator>Kip W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the folks who responded vehemently to Karen:

Is it better to persuade someone who disagrees to your point of view, or just to make them mad? 

Are bystanders more impressed by your winning a reasoned discussion or by your ability to construct zingers? 

If I&#039;d started this with some variant on &quot;Dear A-hole,&quot; would you have even read down this far?

I don&#039;t agree with her, but there must be a better way to show it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the folks who responded vehemently to Karen:</p>
<p>Is it better to persuade someone who disagrees to your point of view, or just to make them mad? </p>
<p>Are bystanders more impressed by your winning a reasoned discussion or by your ability to construct zingers? </p>
<p>If I&#8217;d started this with some variant on &#8220;Dear A-hole,&#8221; would you have even read down this far?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree with her, but there must be a better way to show it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 18:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All you folks who think that six year olds should be able to access porn are about 90% of what is wrong with this country.  That said, any parent who installs a filter and thinks that is enough parental guidance is an idiot, but that does not mean that a filter should not be installed.  Filters are just tools - nothing more, nothing less.  They are not perfect, but that does not mean that they do not have value in the right situation.

It&#039;s pretty clear to me that a lot of people on this site are simply talking out of their a$$es.  I venture to guess that the majority of the commenters fit into at least one of the following categories: (a) those who do not have children and (b) those who have never had a filter.

It is too easy for kids to find porn, even when they are not looking for it.  Just to give an example, if I want to do a search for Britney Spears (a fairly common search for young girls, at least a few years ago) using my Google tool bar, guess what &quot;suggestions&quot; pop up? 
&quot;britney spears no underwear&quot;
&quot;britney spears crotch shot&quot;
&quot;britney spears&quot;
What curious kid is not going to click on one of them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you folks who think that six year olds should be able to access porn are about 90% of what is wrong with this country.  That said, any parent who installs a filter and thinks that is enough parental guidance is an idiot, but that does not mean that a filter should not be installed.  Filters are just tools &#8211; nothing more, nothing less.  They are not perfect, but that does not mean that they do not have value in the right situation.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty clear to me that a lot of people on this site are simply talking out of their a$$es.  I venture to guess that the majority of the commenters fit into at least one of the following categories: (a) those who do not have children and (b) those who have never had a filter.</p>
<p>It is too easy for kids to find porn, even when they are not looking for it.  Just to give an example, if I want to do a search for Britney Spears (a fairly common search for young girls, at least a few years ago) using my Google tool bar, guess what &#8220;suggestions&#8221; pop up?<br />
&#8220;britney spears no underwear&#8221;<br />
&#8220;britney spears crotch shot&#8221;<br />
&#8220;britney spears&#8221;<br />
What curious kid is not going to click on one of them?</p>
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		<title>By: BenP</title>
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		<dc:creator>BenP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think anyone here has considered the unintentional benefits of blocking software. 


Sure, most kids can get around such software, I myself recall subverting more primitive versions of such software 10 years ago when I was a teenager. 

But by installing such software you

1. Protect your child from accessing objectionable content until he is old enough to figure out how to subvert the software. 

Let&#039;s be realistic here, I&#039;m sure everyone would agree that children under a certain age don&#039;t need to be looking at porn. 

Likewise, we can rant about &quot;responsible parenting&quot; but given the prevalence of online activities these days, it would be a major burden to observe a child or young teenager every moment they are on the internet. 

2. It teaches children useful technical skills that they obtain as a result of learning to subvert the software.   They learn about proxy IP addresses, or installing and using software, or dealing with new operating systems. Things many adults today still can&#039;t figure out. 


3. it teaches childen that if they really want something, they have to work to get it. 


and yes, I am being facetious if it&#039;s not somewhat obvious already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone here has considered the unintentional benefits of blocking software. </p>
<p>Sure, most kids can get around such software, I myself recall subverting more primitive versions of such software 10 years ago when I was a teenager. </p>
<p>But by installing such software you</p>
<p>1. Protect your child from accessing objectionable content until he is old enough to figure out how to subvert the software. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s be realistic here, I&#8217;m sure everyone would agree that children under a certain age don&#8217;t need to be looking at porn. </p>
<p>Likewise, we can rant about &#8220;responsible parenting&#8221; but given the prevalence of online activities these days, it would be a major burden to observe a child or young teenager every moment they are on the internet. </p>
<p>2. It teaches children useful technical skills that they obtain as a result of learning to subvert the software.   They learn about proxy IP addresses, or installing and using software, or dealing with new operating systems. Things many adults today still can&#8217;t figure out. </p>
<p>3. it teaches childen that if they really want something, they have to work to get it. </p>
<p>and yes, I am being facetious if it&#8217;s not somewhat obvious already.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobbth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobbth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umm... i dont mean to be rude or anything but thats all wrong I&#039;m only 14 and i can disable any internet blocking software you throw at me. I would tell you all how but i dont want to give kids any ideas

I live in australia and atleast 60-70% of our school can disable blocking software, it costs our school tons of cash on trying to stop us and it can all be bypassed/ disabled. the only way to stop people from seeing certain sites is to pull out the plug!

Internet blocking software is useless, it is VERY easy to bypass and Simple to disable, and VERY useless</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm&#8230; i dont mean to be rude or anything but thats all wrong I&#8217;m only 14 and i can disable any internet blocking software you throw at me. I would tell you all how but i dont want to give kids any ideas</p>
<p>I live in australia and atleast 60-70% of our school can disable blocking software, it costs our school tons of cash on trying to stop us and it can all be bypassed/ disabled. the only way to stop people from seeing certain sites is to pull out the plug!</p>
<p>Internet blocking software is useless, it is VERY easy to bypass and Simple to disable, and VERY useless</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Jenkins</title>
		<link>http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:/2007/06/06/do-obama-and-lieberman-think-the-internet-is-dangerous/comment-page-1/#comment-14559</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, after reading some of these comments directed at me, someone you&#039;ve never met, I can now say I&#039;m in that small percentage of people who have been &quot;cyber-bullied&quot;. This will be my last comment as I&#039;m sure we all have better things to do with our time. But I do want to say that we at Bsafe never suggest putting a filter on your computer and saying &quot;oh, we&#039;re safe now.&quot; Parental guidance is always the best and most effective way to keep children safe in ANY situation. An internet filter is to work in conjunction with good parenting skills. For those who believe we are &quot;censoring&quot; I realize I&#039;ll never win this argument because we have different philosophies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, after reading some of these comments directed at me, someone you&#8217;ve never met, I can now say I&#8217;m in that small percentage of people who have been &#8220;cyber-bullied&#8221;. This will be my last comment as I&#8217;m sure we all have better things to do with our time. But I do want to say that we at Bsafe never suggest putting a filter on your computer and saying &#8220;oh, we&#8217;re safe now.&#8221; Parental guidance is always the best and most effective way to keep children safe in ANY situation. An internet filter is to work in conjunction with good parenting skills. For those who believe we are &#8220;censoring&#8221; I realize I&#8217;ll never win this argument because we have different philosophies.</p>
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		<title>By: Maraxus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maraxus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of this is too true.

It&#039;s a shame that most parents don&#039;t realize it and believe that these little blocking programs actually work.

With this blocking software, won’t that make kids more curious about what&#039;s being hidden and make them more determined to get around it?
And like an earlier post said, if you want to do it, you&#039;ll do it, regardless of the restrictions. Besides you can&#039;t be addicted to porn and social network sites so much that it has to be blocked. It&#039;s not like their interest in it&#039;ll stay for that long. Let them satisfy their curiosity, but they need to be educated on it first. It&#039;s better to see it early on and learn how to tolerate it rather then be sheltered for what, 10 or so years of their life and be completely unprepared for life, which is much worse then what the internet can dish out. 

Basically, if you feel the need to install a filter, also take the time to explain what you&#039;re blocking and why.

Remember, there&#039;s always a way to get around anything. The sooner parents and government officials figure that out, the better.

Two other thoughts:
How is it that predators can get children anyway? If a child is stupid enough to give out their home address or plans on meeting someone without the parent knowing, then they shouldn&#039;t be on the net.

And is there a way to remove said software? Getting around it is fine, but in order for people to learn how easy it to mess with that software, you gotta remove it. Educate your parents and other blockers. Maybe they&#039;ll finally learn something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of this is too true.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a shame that most parents don&#8217;t realize it and believe that these little blocking programs actually work.</p>
<p>With this blocking software, won’t that make kids more curious about what&#8217;s being hidden and make them more determined to get around it?<br />
And like an earlier post said, if you want to do it, you&#8217;ll do it, regardless of the restrictions. Besides you can&#8217;t be addicted to porn and social network sites so much that it has to be blocked. It&#8217;s not like their interest in it&#8217;ll stay for that long. Let them satisfy their curiosity, but they need to be educated on it first. It&#8217;s better to see it early on and learn how to tolerate it rather then be sheltered for what, 10 or so years of their life and be completely unprepared for life, which is much worse then what the internet can dish out. </p>
<p>Basically, if you feel the need to install a filter, also take the time to explain what you&#8217;re blocking and why.</p>
<p>Remember, there&#8217;s always a way to get around anything. The sooner parents and government officials figure that out, the better.</p>
<p>Two other thoughts:<br />
How is it that predators can get children anyway? If a child is stupid enough to give out their home address or plans on meeting someone without the parent knowing, then they shouldn&#8217;t be on the net.</p>
<p>And is there a way to remove said software? Getting around it is fine, but in order for people to learn how easy it to mess with that software, you gotta remove it. Educate your parents and other blockers. Maybe they&#8217;ll finally learn something.</p>
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		<title>By: AGMLego</title>
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		<dc:creator>AGMLego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone ever hear about the Circumventor program? Bsafe and all you out there, we&#039;ve gotcha! While I agree with the intent of a filter (to an extent--it&#039;s embarrassing to accidentally end up on, say, a BDSM site when you meant to be searching for Asian foot binding at school), it is ridiculously naive to expect a filter to keep most children from the bad, evil things online. However, I also am reasonably sure, as an earlier comment said, the Senate spent about five minutes on this and there were no objections--not necessarily a unanimous vote. Kids will end up where they shouldn&#039;t be, and education helps. Also, getting the crap scared out of you once or twice helps a lot, too. (For example, ending up on a site late at night, and having your anti-virus program begin sounding alarms as if the world were ending...). Kids--for the most part--know what&#039;s what out there, and stay away from the really bad stuff.

Also, as a side note, is the Internet any different than, say, recreational drugs? If a kid wants to do it, s/he will do it, no matter the restrictions and frequently because of the restrictions placed upon her/him. You can lock her/him up except for school, and s/he&#039;ll get it at school. You can educate her/him about it, and s/he&#039;ll factor that into the decision to do it, but not to a big extent. It happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone ever hear about the Circumventor program? Bsafe and all you out there, we&#8217;ve gotcha! While I agree with the intent of a filter (to an extent&#8211;it&#8217;s embarrassing to accidentally end up on, say, a BDSM site when you meant to be searching for Asian foot binding at school), it is ridiculously naive to expect a filter to keep most children from the bad, evil things online. However, I also am reasonably sure, as an earlier comment said, the Senate spent about five minutes on this and there were no objections&#8211;not necessarily a unanimous vote. Kids will end up where they shouldn&#8217;t be, and education helps. Also, getting the crap scared out of you once or twice helps a lot, too. (For example, ending up on a site late at night, and having your anti-virus program begin sounding alarms as if the world were ending&#8230;). Kids&#8211;for the most part&#8211;know what&#8217;s what out there, and stay away from the really bad stuff.</p>
<p>Also, as a side note, is the Internet any different than, say, recreational drugs? If a kid wants to do it, s/he will do it, no matter the restrictions and frequently because of the restrictions placed upon her/him. You can lock her/him up except for school, and s/he&#8217;ll get it at school. You can educate her/him about it, and s/he&#8217;ll factor that into the decision to do it, but not to a big extent. It happens.</p>
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