Comments on: The death of Blu-ray? – Expert predicts downloads are the future http://tech.blorge.com/Structure: /2008/03/30/the-death-of-blu-ray-expert-predicts-downloads-are-the-future/ Technology news Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:15:02 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: FG http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:/2008/03/30/the-death-of-blu-ray-expert-predicts-downloads-are-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-159191 FG Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:14:12 +0000 http://tech.blorge.com/Structure: /2008/03/30/the-death-of-blu-ray-expert-predicts-downloads-are-the-future/#comment-159191 The truth of the entire bluray mess is in the end to control 100% of every peace pf media you buy and watch . "THIS WILL HAPPEN" after bluray works it way into the mainstream you all get a update in firmware 1 night and suddenly you cannot loan your friend your bluray disc . Your player starts locking your disc to your player making them useless inside any other player and removing any resale value . Sony has already annouced this a year before blurays release of the first disc . So all you mindless morons just go on get yourself wedged nicely under sonys thumb . Dont start the crying war after they have all of you locked up behind the HDMi ports and bluray locked disc . I will have the last laugh in the end . Unless the public learns the hidden truth behind the format . To end piracey and control everything you listen to and watch . The truth of the entire bluray mess is in the end to control 100% of every peace pf media you buy and watch . “THIS WILL HAPPEN” after bluray works it way into the mainstream you all get a update in firmware 1 night and suddenly you cannot loan your friend your bluray disc . Your player starts locking your disc to your player making them useless inside any other player and removing any resale value .
Sony has already annouced this a year before blurays release of the first disc . So all you mindless morons just go on get yourself wedged nicely under sonys thumb .
Dont start the crying war after they have all of you locked up behind the HDMi ports and bluray locked disc .
I will have the last laugh in the end . Unless the public learns the hidden truth behind the format . To end piracey and control everything you listen to and watch .

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]]> By: Phyve http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:/2008/03/30/the-death-of-blu-ray-expert-predicts-downloads-are-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-154964 Phyve Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:21:05 +0000 http://tech.blorge.com/Structure: /2008/03/30/the-death-of-blu-ray-expert-predicts-downloads-are-the-future/#comment-154964 Since the purchase of my iPhone, I have downloaded several television shows, and "Wall-E". Since the option was present, I chose to download the HD version for all. I do have my 26" HDTv connected by way of HDMI. I was and still am severely impressed with the quality of the picture, not only on my phone, but on the television as well. It does certainly rival the quality of other HD formats. Furthermore, I had them in less than two hours over a terrible WiFi connection. I have a PS3, and I am certainly impressed with the quality. On side with Blu-Ray; Most that come out, these days, include a digital copy, and the option which type of format (apple/Windows). So, you can take it with you. I can't really say I agree that death is near for either, or that one might hurt the other. However, possibly, that choices may become more numerous. Since the purchase of my iPhone, I have downloaded several television shows, and “Wall-E”. Since the option was present, I chose to download the HD version for all. I do have my 26″ HDTv connected by way of HDMI. I was and still am severely impressed with the quality of the picture, not only on my phone, but on the television as well. It does certainly rival the quality of other HD formats. Furthermore, I had them in less than two hours over a terrible WiFi connection. I have a PS3, and I am certainly impressed with the quality. On side with Blu-Ray; Most that come out, these days, include a digital copy, and the option which type of format (apple/Windows). So, you can take it with you. I can’t really say I agree that death is near for either, or that one might hurt the other. However, possibly, that choices may become more numerous.

]]> By: Low tech guy http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:/2008/03/30/the-death-of-blu-ray-expert-predicts-downloads-are-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-132912 Low tech guy Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:00:43 +0000 http://tech.blorge.com/Structure: /2008/03/30/the-death-of-blu-ray-expert-predicts-downloads-are-the-future/#comment-132912 Blue Ray's death is already preordained, just as DVD, VCD, VHS, Beta, Cassette Tapes, 8 Track Tapes, 33 RPM Records, and 78 RPM Records were. Technology marches onward without stopping or looking back. The question is whether downloads or Hard memory chips will win out in the end. I for one cannot guess which one consumers will choose. I can only guarantee that all formats with moving parts will eventually die as will "hard drives" that have spinning disks. Moving parts = obsolescence. Blue Ray’s death is already preordained, just as DVD, VCD, VHS, Beta, Cassette Tapes, 8 Track Tapes, 33 RPM Records, and 78 RPM Records were. Technology marches onward without stopping or looking back. The question is whether downloads or Hard memory chips will win out in the end. I for one cannot guess which one consumers will choose. I can only guarantee that all formats with moving parts will eventually die as will “hard drives” that have spinning disks. Moving parts = obsolescence.

]]> By: Dil Egitimi http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:/2008/03/30/the-death-of-blu-ray-expert-predicts-downloads-are-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-82063 Dil Egitimi Sat, 05 Apr 2008 00:43:17 +0000 http://tech.blorge.com/Structure: /2008/03/30/the-death-of-blu-ray-expert-predicts-downloads-are-the-future/#comment-82063 does anyone knows if there is any other information about this subject in other languages? does anyone knows if there is any other information about this subject in other languages?

]]> By: Just a regular tech guy http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:/2008/03/30/the-death-of-blu-ray-expert-predicts-downloads-are-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-81570 Just a regular tech guy Wed, 02 Apr 2008 07:45:04 +0000 http://tech.blorge.com/Structure: /2008/03/30/the-death-of-blu-ray-expert-predicts-downloads-are-the-future/#comment-81570 As an example only: a million or so people doing regular downloads of hugh giga/tera bytes of movies files everyday. Can't anybody see the problems with this? Issues with ISP infrastructures, cost per month to the consumer. The economy in general ( hello recession). And the massive amounts of data server/farms holding these movies, will pose huge temptations for global hackers to try and penatrate, steal and distrabute the stolen movies. (which means added security and added cost to consumers) Virus bots constant probings on the net for flow of data ( the net's like the wild wild west ). The constant sophications ( I kno spelled wrong )of hacks/virus attacks. I think these are really serious issues when it comes to digital downloads. I know Netflicks have a success but if the business model proves even successful what about increased competitons, which will further stress the net infrastructures, further causing unreliable bandwith issues. The question is how reliable and dependable can digital downloads be in the end when movies company decides to create bigger budget movies demanding for increased bandwidth downloads; and of course copyright infringments to follow. In the end which will become easier to make and distribute. We, as human beings, will always demand more. Its in our nature. As for me, i guess im old school, still prefer the reliable cool packaging in my hands. As an example only: a million or so people doing regular downloads of hugh giga/tera bytes of movies files everyday. Can’t anybody see the problems with this?
Issues with ISP infrastructures, cost per month to the consumer. The economy in general ( hello recession). And the massive amounts of data server/farms holding these movies, will pose huge temptations for global hackers to try and penatrate, steal and distrabute the stolen movies. (which means added security and added cost to consumers) Virus bots constant probings on the net for flow of data ( the net’s like the wild wild west ). The constant sophications ( I kno spelled wrong )of hacks/virus attacks.
I think these are really serious issues when it comes to digital downloads.
I know Netflicks have a success but if the business model proves even successful what about increased competitons, which will further stress the net infrastructures, further causing unreliable bandwith issues.
The question is how reliable and dependable can digital downloads be in the end when movies company decides to create bigger budget movies demanding for increased bandwidth downloads; and of course copyright infringments to follow.
In the end which will become easier to make and distribute. We, as human beings, will always demand more. Its in our nature.
As for me, i guess im old school, still prefer the reliable cool packaging in my hands.

]]> By: DaveP http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:/2008/03/30/the-death-of-blu-ray-expert-predicts-downloads-are-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-81317 DaveP Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:41:37 +0000 http://tech.blorge.com/Structure: /2008/03/30/the-death-of-blu-ray-expert-predicts-downloads-are-the-future/#comment-81317 Reality Check, where did I say I was an expert? I'm not, and never said I was. Reality Check, where did I say I was an expert? I’m not, and never said I was.

]]> By: kev http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:/2008/03/30/the-death-of-blu-ray-expert-predicts-downloads-are-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-81314 kev Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:31:57 +0000 http://tech.blorge.com/Structure: /2008/03/30/the-death-of-blu-ray-expert-predicts-downloads-are-the-future/#comment-81314 it's more cost efficient to offer d/l movies. netflix is ALREADY proving the success of this business model and they are still in their infancy. As the glut of dark fiber in NA gets lit, the ease and speed of d/l movies will only increase as bb prices continue to drop with increased footprints. i doubt it'll be the "death of bluray" all by itself, but it'll sure be a contributor. it’s more cost efficient to offer d/l movies. netflix is ALREADY proving the success of this business model and they are still in their infancy. As the glut of dark fiber in NA gets lit, the ease and speed of d/l movies will only increase as bb prices continue to drop with increased footprints. i doubt it’ll be the “death of bluray” all by itself, but it’ll sure be a contributor.

]]> By: Reality Check http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:/2008/03/30/the-death-of-blu-ray-expert-predicts-downloads-are-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-81305 Reality Check Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:39:21 +0000 http://tech.blorge.com/Structure: /2008/03/30/the-death-of-blu-ray-expert-predicts-downloads-are-the-future/#comment-81305 Digital downloads aren't happening soon, at least not at the quality that Blu Ray offers. Personally I think it would be great if I could stream HD quality movies but here is the reality... These formats are HUGE. Fiber Optic networks would have to be available to the masses before this could be a reality and that's not happening until 2015 at least (for any more then a nominal percentage). For the naysayers about watching digital downloads on a computer screen only, you need a reality check too. You aren't being very forward thinking b/c it's easy enough to make a hardware that hooks up to the TV and internet ... Apple already has a product acutally. So for those who want the highest quality downloads wont be ready for a while (10 years is a generious time on the short side before this infrastructure is in place). It's extremely expensive and the companies (comcast, TW etc.) aren't ready to make this mass investment and when they do it will be years and years to implement. Just a note to the OP. Don't tout yourself as a "expert" in your own article (even if you are) it really damages credibility b/c you sound like a douche. Digital downloads aren’t happening soon, at least not at the quality that Blu Ray offers. Personally I think it would be great if I could stream HD quality movies but here is the reality…

These formats are HUGE. Fiber Optic networks would have to be available to the masses before this could be a reality and that’s not happening until 2015 at least (for any more then a nominal percentage).

For the naysayers about watching digital downloads on a computer screen only, you need a reality check too. You aren’t being very forward thinking b/c it’s easy enough to make a hardware that hooks up to the TV and internet … Apple already has a product acutally.

So for those who want the highest quality downloads wont be ready for a while (10 years is a generious time on the short side before this infrastructure is in place). It’s extremely expensive and the companies (comcast, TW etc.) aren’t ready to make this mass investment and when they do it will be years and years to implement.

Just a note to the OP. Don’t tout yourself as a “expert” in your own article (even if you are) it really damages credibility b/c you sound like a douche.

]]> By: superdynamite http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:/2008/03/30/the-death-of-blu-ray-expert-predicts-downloads-are-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-81187 superdynamite Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:13:32 +0000 http://tech.blorge.com/Structure: /2008/03/30/the-death-of-blu-ray-expert-predicts-downloads-are-the-future/#comment-81187 OK, lets' look at the "Movie Download vs. Movie Disc" subject a little closer. We will dissect it in a way that will allow us to try and determine the future of the digital HD Movie Download. These are some of the Freedoms that I am able to enjoy because I own a Blu-ray player (Playstation 3) and Blu-ray Disc collection: I watched my Blackhawk Down Blu-ray about 8X during this past year. I watched my Pan's Labyrinth Blu-ray 4X since it's release. I watched the Simpson's Movie on Christmas Night and then again last night, almost 4 weeks later, with my little cousin. I also let my brother borrow my 300 and 28 Weeks Later Blu-ray discs. My friend Mike let me borrow his Ghost Rider Blu-ray and I lent him my Casino Royale Blu-ray. I brought my TMNT Blu-ray to my friend Jay's house to see how it looked on his new Samsung DLP flat screen and PS3. It looked and sounded amazing. I bought Pathfinder on Blu-ray for $29.99, watched it, then sold it on eBay for $26.00 + $2.00 shipping. Ok, that's what I've done with a few of my Blu-ray movies. Now let's look at the advantages and disadvantages of the Digital HD Movie Download: 1. Does the HD Movie Download allow me the same freedoms in portability that the Blu-Ray Disc does? No. You can only view a Downloaded movie on the device that it was downloaded to. 2. Can I borrow and Lend downloaded movies with friends and family? No. You would have to lend or borrow the whole device or console that holds the download. 3. Can I watch a Downloaded Movie numerous times over the course of a Year or the course of a month for that matter? No. Digital Download Movies are only good for a predetermined term or limited length of time. Usually 24 hours. For example, Microsoft offers Digital Movie Downloads on their XBoxLIVE (XBL) service. The Downloadable movies vary in price on the XBL service. Movie Downloads from XBoxLIVE can be viewed an unlimited amount of times for the first 24 hours. Plays after that period will cost the same as the initial download. The downloaded Movie files are in Windows Media VideoHD (aka;VC-1,WMVHD) format at 720p resolution, 6.8Mbps video with 5.1 surround sound. The average Movie download is 4 - 5gb. 4. Are Digital downloadable Movies available in Full HD, 1080p with lossless Audio? No. Not yet. There is no date for the availability of full resolution Downloads. The only advantage or benefit, that I can see, in Downloading Movies would be, it saves you a trip to the store. If you are home sick, the weather is bad, it's after 10pm and all the Electronics stores are closed or you're just feeling a little bit lazy, downloading a movie is fine. To me, downloading a Movie is no different than purchasing a movie from your Pay-Per-View service. In some cases Pay-Per-View might even have more of an advantage because you don't have to wait the download time and if you have TiVo you can watch it until you delete it. Pay-Per-View is also available in 1080i. The DVD vs. VHS Comparison in relation to The Blu-ray vs. DVD Comparison: Standard DVD replaced VHS, Blu-ray replaced DVD and Digital Downloads will replace Blu-ray, right? Wrong. Here is why: While compiling information about a subject or subjects, in order to complete a proper hypothecation, you will need to make sure that the variables that you are using are in accordance with one another and can be related to one another. So the question is, "Can we compare DVD's replacement of VHS with Blu-ray's replacement of Standard (STD) DVD?" The answer is No. DVD ultimately rendered the VHS Tape useless. Blu-ray is not replacing DVD or rendering the DVD format useless. Blu-ray is simply an expansion of DVD. If you own a Full HD Home Theater with Blu-ray player, the Standard DVD format can and will be integrated into your Movie, Concert or VideoGame collection in some way. The standard DVD can not only be viewed using a Blu-ray player, but the STD DVD can be viewed at a higher resolution using a process that most Blu-ray players feature. This process is called upscaling. VHS and DVD are in no way interchangeable, which was the reason for the subsequent discontinuation and elimination of VHS. Not only are the STD DVD & VHS forms of media non-interchangeable with one another, but the gap in technology between DVD and VHS is far greater then the gap between Blu-ray and DVD. The reason there is such a large gap between DVD and VHS is that DVD is a completely different technology than VHS, where as Blu-ray evolved from DVD and is of the same technology. Here's another way to look at the DVD vs. VHS Comparison in relation to The Blu-ray vs. DVD Comparison: 1.What came first, the chicken (Blu-ray) or the egg (DVD)? 2.What came first, the chicken (Blu-ray) or the Elephant (VHS)? You can't ask that question because it's not relative to what we need the answer for. This is why "The DVD vs. VHS Comparison in relation to The Blu-ray vs. DVD Comparison" cannot be used to determine an answer to our question, which is, Will Digital Downloadable Movies replace Disc media? The Downloadable Movie vs. Downloadable Music comparison: I think this is where analysts and columnists make their biggest mistake when trying to evaluate the future of digital media. You can not compare downloading movies with downloading music. A full catalog of Music does not require a large amount of Hard Drive space. One single HD Movie with 1080p resolution, 7.1 lossless Audio and Bonus Features could, in some cases, require 20gb to over 50gb of space depending on the movie. Just think of how much space you would need to retain a downloaded version of the Godfather Box set in Full HD. Music Downloads are portable via an MP3 device such as the IPod. Downloadable Movie content is not portable. HiDef Home Theaters are not portable either. Music Downloads are permanent and do not incur future costs on the owner. Movie downloads have a limited viewing time. As a consumer, I do not want to spend money on a movie that I am only able to view for a limited time. In that case, I might as well go to the movie theater and get my money's worth. I'd much rather order something from Pay-Per-View which I can TiVo. I want to watch my movies when & where I feel like watching them. I want to lend movies to my friends and family. I also want to borrow movies from my friends and family. To me, that is a small part of what makes owning a movie collection fun. In my opinion, Movie Downloads is an option that is loaded with restrictions and costs to the consumer. Digital Movie Downloads, Pay-Per-View and Divx are more comparable to each other than Movie Downloads and Disc Media are to each other. For now, the Movie Download is a very long way from replacing Blu-disc/DVD media. Movie Downloads have their place in the industry, but they will never take over as the industry standard. For now it's just another option to Pay-Per-View. OK, lets’ look at the “Movie Download vs. Movie Disc” subject a little closer. We will dissect it in a way that will allow us to try and determine the future of the digital HD Movie Download.

These are some of the Freedoms that I am able to enjoy because I own a Blu-ray player (Playstation 3) and Blu-ray Disc collection:

I watched my Blackhawk Down Blu-ray about 8X during this past year. I watched my Pan’s Labyrinth Blu-ray 4X since it’s release. I watched the Simpson’s Movie on Christmas Night and then again last night, almost 4 weeks later, with my little cousin. I also let my brother borrow my 300 and 28 Weeks Later Blu-ray discs. My friend Mike let me borrow his Ghost Rider Blu-ray and I lent him my Casino Royale Blu-ray. I brought my TMNT Blu-ray to my friend Jay’s house to see how it looked on his new Samsung DLP flat screen and PS3. It looked and sounded amazing. I bought Pathfinder on Blu-ray for $29.99, watched it, then sold it on eBay for $26.00 + $2.00 shipping.

Ok, that’s what I’ve done with a few of my Blu-ray movies.

Now let’s look at the advantages and disadvantages of the Digital HD Movie Download:
1. Does the HD Movie Download allow me the same freedoms in portability that the Blu-Ray Disc does? No. You can only view a Downloaded movie on the device that it was downloaded to.

2. Can I borrow and Lend downloaded movies with friends and family? No. You would have to lend or borrow the whole device or console that holds the download.

3. Can I watch a Downloaded Movie numerous times over the course of a Year or the course of a month for that matter? No. Digital Download Movies are only good for a predetermined term or limited length of time. Usually 24 hours.
For example, Microsoft offers Digital Movie Downloads on their XBoxLIVE (XBL) service. The Downloadable movies vary in price on the XBL service. Movie Downloads from XBoxLIVE can be viewed an unlimited amount of times for the first 24 hours. Plays after that period will cost the same as the initial download. The downloaded Movie files are in Windows Media VideoHD (aka;VC-1,WMVHD) format at 720p resolution, 6.8Mbps video with 5.1 surround sound. The average Movie download is 4 – 5gb.

4. Are Digital downloadable Movies available in Full HD, 1080p with lossless Audio? No. Not yet. There is no date for the availability of full resolution Downloads.

The only advantage or benefit, that I can see, in Downloading Movies would be, it saves you a trip to the store. If you are home sick, the weather is bad, it’s after 10pm and all the Electronics stores are closed or you’re just feeling a little bit lazy, downloading a movie is fine.
To me, downloading a Movie is no different than purchasing a movie from your Pay-Per-View service. In some cases Pay-Per-View might even have more of an advantage because you don’t have to wait the download time and if you have TiVo you can watch it until you delete it. Pay-Per-View is also available in 1080i.

The DVD vs. VHS Comparison in relation to The Blu-ray vs. DVD Comparison:
Standard DVD replaced VHS, Blu-ray replaced DVD and Digital Downloads will replace Blu-ray, right? Wrong. Here is why:

While compiling information about a subject or subjects, in order to complete a proper hypothecation, you will need to make sure that the variables that you are using are in accordance with one another and can be related to one another.
So the question is, “Can we compare DVD’s replacement of VHS with Blu-ray’s replacement of Standard (STD) DVD?” The answer is No. DVD ultimately rendered the VHS Tape useless. Blu-ray is not replacing DVD or rendering the DVD format useless. Blu-ray is simply an expansion of DVD.

If you own a Full HD Home Theater with Blu-ray player, the Standard DVD format can and will be integrated into your Movie, Concert or VideoGame collection in some way. The standard DVD can not only be viewed using a Blu-ray player, but the STD DVD can be viewed at a higher resolution using a process that most Blu-ray players feature. This process is called upscaling.

VHS and DVD are in no way interchangeable, which was the reason for the subsequent discontinuation and elimination of VHS.
Not only are the STD DVD & VHS forms of media non-interchangeable with one another, but the gap in technology between DVD and VHS is far greater then the gap between Blu-ray and DVD. The reason there is such a large gap between DVD and VHS is that DVD is a completely different technology than VHS, where as Blu-ray evolved from DVD and is of the same technology.
Here’s another way to look at the DVD vs. VHS Comparison in relation to The Blu-ray vs. DVD Comparison:
1.What came first, the chicken (Blu-ray) or the egg (DVD)?
2.What came first, the chicken (Blu-ray) or the Elephant (VHS)? You can’t ask that question because it’s not relative to what we need the answer for.

This is why “The DVD vs. VHS Comparison in relation to The Blu-ray vs. DVD Comparison” cannot be used to determine an answer to our question, which is, Will Digital Downloadable Movies replace Disc media?

The Downloadable Movie vs. Downloadable Music comparison:
I think this is where analysts and columnists make their biggest mistake when trying to evaluate the future of digital media.
You can not compare downloading movies with downloading music. A full catalog of Music does not require a large amount of Hard Drive space. One single HD Movie with 1080p resolution, 7.1 lossless Audio and Bonus Features could, in some cases, require 20gb to over 50gb of space depending on the movie. Just think of how much space you would need to retain a downloaded version of the Godfather Box set in Full HD.
Music Downloads are portable via an MP3 device such as the IPod. Downloadable Movie content is not portable. HiDef Home Theaters are not portable either. Music Downloads are permanent and do not incur future costs on the owner. Movie downloads have a limited viewing time.

As a consumer, I do not want to spend money on a movie that I am only able to view for a limited time. In that case, I might as well go to the movie theater and get my money’s worth. I’d much rather order something from Pay-Per-View which I can TiVo. I want to watch my movies when & where I feel like watching them. I want to lend movies to my friends and family. I also want to borrow movies from my friends and family. To me, that is a small part of what makes owning a movie collection fun.

In my opinion, Movie Downloads is an option that is loaded with restrictions and costs to the consumer. Digital Movie Downloads, Pay-Per-View and Divx are more comparable to each other than Movie Downloads and Disc Media are to each other. For now, the Movie Download is a very long way from replacing Blu-disc/DVD media.

Movie Downloads have their place in the industry, but they will never take over as the industry standard. For now it’s just another option to Pay-Per-View.

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