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	<title>Comments on: Blu-ray dead within five years &#8211; DVD is simply good enough</title>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:/2008/09/16/blu-ray-dead-within-five-years-dvd-is-simply-good-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-202983</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 03:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The author &quot;Dave&quot; said he will eat his hat and collection of DVD if Blu-ray is still around in 2018...now that Toshiba is onboard with Blu-ray and sales have been improving year over year and HDTV&#039;s are the replacement TV that consumers are getting, does Dave like cheese to go with his hat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author &#8220;Dave&#8221; said he will eat his hat and collection of DVD if Blu-ray is still around in 2018&#8230;now that Toshiba is onboard with Blu-ray and sales have been improving year over year and HDTV&#8217;s are the replacement TV that consumers are getting, does Dave like cheese to go with his hat?</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 05:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bad and worsening economy will doom blue-ray. People will be lucky to have a tv at all never mind a high definition one. Peak oil is going to cause a paradigm shift which does not favor the techies. Dvd is good enough. Shall one be lucky enough to have electricity in spite of the economy and/or peak oil, they will probably be watching dvds over any other movie format or good old fashioned over the air tv.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bad and worsening economy will doom blue-ray. People will be lucky to have a tv at all never mind a high definition one. Peak oil is going to cause a paradigm shift which does not favor the techies. Dvd is good enough. Shall one be lucky enough to have electricity in spite of the economy and/or peak oil, they will probably be watching dvds over any other movie format or good old fashioned over the air tv.</p>
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		<title>By: Overgrownasian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Overgrownasian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 20:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was an HD DVD fan (it was cheap for my xbox) and I have put off buying a Blu Ray till Today(Black Friday)  Once I was able to find it for under $100 I jumped on it.  There is a HUGE difference between Standard Def DVD&#039;s and High Definition, whether it be tv, HD DVD or Blu Ray.  I also subscribe to Netflix primarily for the movie streaming.  I am techy, and well its just too much hassle for me, I have a 20MB net connection and there are still sometimes occasional stutters... well I don&#039;t see the Optical format going anywhere.  People aren&#039;t going to want to upgrade their players unless its affordable AND can play their old stuff... because new players should play DVD&#039;s, BluRay, HD DVDs, and any thing else that is shaped the same... Give it some time though and I&#039;m sure new tech will come out, but the old tech won&#039;t disappear as soon as new tech is annouced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was an HD DVD fan (it was cheap for my xbox) and I have put off buying a Blu Ray till Today(Black Friday)  Once I was able to find it for under $100 I jumped on it.  There is a HUGE difference between Standard Def DVD&#8217;s and High Definition, whether it be tv, HD DVD or Blu Ray.  I also subscribe to Netflix primarily for the movie streaming.  I am techy, and well its just too much hassle for me, I have a 20MB net connection and there are still sometimes occasional stutters&#8230; well I don&#8217;t see the Optical format going anywhere.  People aren&#8217;t going to want to upgrade their players unless its affordable AND can play their old stuff&#8230; because new players should play DVD&#8217;s, BluRay, HD DVDs, and any thing else that is shaped the same&#8230; Give it some time though and I&#8217;m sure new tech will come out, but the old tech won&#8217;t disappear as soon as new tech is annouced.</p>
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		<title>By: sgrg</title>
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		<dc:creator>sgrg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>home entertainment is not for poor people, people in the ghetto still think that rabbit ear antenna are new wave technology</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>home entertainment is not for poor people, people in the ghetto still think that rabbit ear antenna are new wave technology</p>
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		<title>By: needo</title>
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		<dc:creator>needo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently purchased a Blu Ray player and love it. I am sick of hearing people say you *have* to replace your existing DVD collection. You do not. The Blu Ray player is backwards compatible and will upscale your existing DVD collection. I am only replacing my favorite DVDs. Now that I have a Blu Ray player I will never buy another DVD when a Blu Ray version is available. The quality difference is huge. Those who do not see it are in denial or need their eyes checked. :)

I do not think Digital Downloads will takeover. Streaming might. But it is not as simple as taking a disc out of its case and putting it in a player. The majority of people out there are not tech savvy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently purchased a Blu Ray player and love it. I am sick of hearing people say you *have* to replace your existing DVD collection. You do not. The Blu Ray player is backwards compatible and will upscale your existing DVD collection. I am only replacing my favorite DVDs. Now that I have a Blu Ray player I will never buy another DVD when a Blu Ray version is available. The quality difference is huge. Those who do not see it are in denial or need their eyes checked. :)</p>
<p>I do not think Digital Downloads will takeover. Streaming might. But it is not as simple as taking a disc out of its case and putting it in a player. The majority of people out there are not tech savvy.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t a fan of Blu-ray and personally favored HD-DVD. But now that it is the winning format I hope it will stick around. However it does look like that resolution could quadruple with Samsung and Panasonic currently having prototype TV&#039;s with resolution of 2160p. A new format capable of holding more information will be needed to support this resolution. 

Movies available for download actually have worse picture quality than DVD. To get that rather small file size the picture is compressed to about 2mb/s. Uncompressed  1920x1080 is about 3GB/s.  On Blu-Ray it is compressed to something like 50MB/s. Keep in mind this is only 1080p/24. A disk with more space would probably benefit picture quality for current 1080p and hopefully up the picture to 1080p/60.

There are 2 experimental formats out there which offer way more capacity which we may or may not ever see depending on if everything goes download only. I cant remember what they are called but one is a disk with 50GB layers and can support 10 layers for 500GB. The other is a disk with 5GB layers and 200 layers a possible for 1TB. There is no noise from layer to layer either. 

If we start downloading all our media instead of having a hard copy of it it is obvious that today&#039;s storage devices are nowhere near big enough. We would need like a 20TB hard drive for this to be practical. On top of that this would mean we use our hard drive more and some people are probably capable of ruining one within 3 years. What do you do than?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t a fan of Blu-ray and personally favored HD-DVD. But now that it is the winning format I hope it will stick around. However it does look like that resolution could quadruple with Samsung and Panasonic currently having prototype TV&#8217;s with resolution of 2160p. A new format capable of holding more information will be needed to support this resolution. </p>
<p>Movies available for download actually have worse picture quality than DVD. To get that rather small file size the picture is compressed to about 2mb/s. Uncompressed  1920&#215;1080 is about 3GB/s.  On Blu-Ray it is compressed to something like 50MB/s. Keep in mind this is only 1080p/24. A disk with more space would probably benefit picture quality for current 1080p and hopefully up the picture to 1080p/60.</p>
<p>There are 2 experimental formats out there which offer way more capacity which we may or may not ever see depending on if everything goes download only. I cant remember what they are called but one is a disk with 50GB layers and can support 10 layers for 500GB. The other is a disk with 5GB layers and 200 layers a possible for 1TB. There is no noise from layer to layer either. </p>
<p>If we start downloading all our media instead of having a hard copy of it it is obvious that today&#8217;s storage devices are nowhere near big enough. We would need like a 20TB hard drive for this to be practical. On top of that this would mean we use our hard drive more and some people are probably capable of ruining one within 3 years. What do you do than?</p>
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		<title>By: DaveBG</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.....oh and for those who deny this here&#039;s another gem of truth.

Even Sony have launched not one but two downloading services.

One for PS3 owners and another for their Bravia HD TV owners.

The news is full every week of new downloading services - not forgetting HD TV services offering HD TV video on demand etc etc.

Blu-ray couldn&#039;t become &#039;the next DVD&#039; even if everything was going for it (which it clearly isn&#039;t) cos the &#039;DVD market&#039; as was has now fragmented so heavily and continues to do so at an accelerating rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;..oh and for those who deny this here&#8217;s another gem of truth.</p>
<p>Even Sony have launched not one but two downloading services.</p>
<p>One for PS3 owners and another for their Bravia HD TV owners.</p>
<p>The news is full every week of new downloading services &#8211; not forgetting HD TV services offering HD TV video on demand etc etc.</p>
<p>Blu-ray couldn&#8217;t become &#8216;the next DVD&#8217; even if everything was going for it (which it clearly isn&#8217;t) cos the &#8216;DVD market&#8217; as was has now fragmented so heavily and continues to do so at an accelerating rate.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveBG</title>
		<link>http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:/2008/09/16/blu-ray-dead-within-five-years-dvd-is-simply-good-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-135698</link>
		<dc:creator>DaveBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DRM on downloads etc isn&#039;t a scary deal.

Just as the music industry has had to tune in &amp; wise up with selling music on-line and stop it so too will the movie industry with movie downloads, even if it is currently kicking &amp; screaming.

Those who imagine everyone cares or even wants a full 50gb download are just throwing up ridiculous straw-men &amp; barriers to &#039;defend&#039; their desire to see Blu-ray prevail.

It won&#039;t cos it can&#039;t.

In future we&#039;ll be offered a range of options, once you dump the completely unnecessary languages and that bloated waste that is uncompressed audio for something more sensible (Dolby Digital plus or DTS probably) then downloads of properly encoded and superb looking 8 - 12gb sized movies becomes a serious option.

You will probably even be able pick the 720p option if your HD TV doesn&#039;t do 1080p &amp; d/l about 5gbs.

We&#039;re all seeing the connection infrastructure upgrade too.
Within 2 - 4yrs it&#039;ll be complately different.

The Blu-ray fanclub just refuse to get it.

The PS3 was a smart move to win the extremely niche high def spat with HD DVD but it did nothing but drive them ever further up the game console niche as far as the true mass-market is concerned.

Blu-ray is still all but invisible as far as the mainstream are concerned, 2yrs and counting of &#039;life&#039; or not.

The truth is that Blu-ray was always the dumb way to go.
Blu-ray &amp; the expensive PS3 it relies so heavily upon, still, merely ensured that high def movies on disc never went mass-market - which is exactly what we have seen this year.

There&#039;s no point hiding behind inventied claims about HD DVD, it&#039;s long gone and Blu-ray has done nothing since then; despite periodic BDA lies &amp; exaggeration, as the weekly Neilson numbers prove.

Blu-ray has simply taken a gamble (that PS3 would see it through until such time as it was genuinely &#039;ready&#039; and finished with final spec players out around $100) and has found itself desperately unlucky to be up against the almighty DVD (which simply towers over the Blu-ray pygmy in total discs sold) and be trying to gain traction at a point where we in the west are all just about to go into a serious depression.

This is not the time anyone (outside the game console fanboy element) could care less about a very expensive new video format.
Especially not one that requires a load of very expensive kit to make the most of 
(ie a great big 1080p HD TV and a set of expensive audio stuff).

The future is obvious.
Better DVD players and a growing cheaper downloaded sector.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DRM on downloads etc isn&#8217;t a scary deal.</p>
<p>Just as the music industry has had to tune in &amp; wise up with selling music on-line and stop it so too will the movie industry with movie downloads, even if it is currently kicking &amp; screaming.</p>
<p>Those who imagine everyone cares or even wants a full 50gb download are just throwing up ridiculous straw-men &amp; barriers to &#8216;defend&#8217; their desire to see Blu-ray prevail.</p>
<p>It won&#8217;t cos it can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>In future we&#8217;ll be offered a range of options, once you dump the completely unnecessary languages and that bloated waste that is uncompressed audio for something more sensible (Dolby Digital plus or DTS probably) then downloads of properly encoded and superb looking 8 &#8211; 12gb sized movies becomes a serious option.</p>
<p>You will probably even be able pick the 720p option if your HD TV doesn&#8217;t do 1080p &amp; d/l about 5gbs.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re all seeing the connection infrastructure upgrade too.<br />
Within 2 &#8211; 4yrs it&#8217;ll be complately different.</p>
<p>The Blu-ray fanclub just refuse to get it.</p>
<p>The PS3 was a smart move to win the extremely niche high def spat with HD DVD but it did nothing but drive them ever further up the game console niche as far as the true mass-market is concerned.</p>
<p>Blu-ray is still all but invisible as far as the mainstream are concerned, 2yrs and counting of &#8216;life&#8217; or not.</p>
<p>The truth is that Blu-ray was always the dumb way to go.<br />
Blu-ray &amp; the expensive PS3 it relies so heavily upon, still, merely ensured that high def movies on disc never went mass-market &#8211; which is exactly what we have seen this year.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no point hiding behind inventied claims about HD DVD, it&#8217;s long gone and Blu-ray has done nothing since then; despite periodic BDA lies &amp; exaggeration, as the weekly Neilson numbers prove.</p>
<p>Blu-ray has simply taken a gamble (that PS3 would see it through until such time as it was genuinely &#8216;ready&#8217; and finished with final spec players out around $100) and has found itself desperately unlucky to be up against the almighty DVD (which simply towers over the Blu-ray pygmy in total discs sold) and be trying to gain traction at a point where we in the west are all just about to go into a serious depression.</p>
<p>This is not the time anyone (outside the game console fanboy element) could care less about a very expensive new video format.<br />
Especially not one that requires a load of very expensive kit to make the most of<br />
(ie a great big 1080p HD TV and a set of expensive audio stuff).</p>
<p>The future is obvious.<br />
Better DVD players and a growing cheaper downloaded sector.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan_PSP</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivan_PSP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 00:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blu-ray Disc won&#039;t die not even in ten years. Digital Download is pathetic especially for games and hd movies. Only an idiot would ever say Blu-ray technology will die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blu-ray Disc won&#8217;t die not even in ten years. Digital Download is pathetic especially for games and hd movies. Only an idiot would ever say Blu-ray technology will die.</p>
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		<title>By: al thor</title>
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		<dc:creator>al thor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hoorah let&#039;s all get rid of optical media for drmed downloads and flash drives 

Seriously tech geeks and nerds are so far out of kilt it&#039;s not even funny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hoorah let&#8217;s all get rid of optical media for drmed downloads and flash drives </p>
<p>Seriously tech geeks and nerds are so far out of kilt it&#8217;s not even funny</p>
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